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purdy65
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Now having run both, I can say I prefer the GoodLife course. I actually think it's faster too, because despite Hoggs Hollow, the rest of it is mostly flat or downhill, and scenic. The downhill through rosedale in the fall is beautiful.
Some sections are in both courses (west end, Queens Quay)
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little_kenyan
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| How far into the race is the Hoggs Hollow hill? I'm running the half--hopefully the hill comes early and I dont have to worry about it in the latter part of the course. |
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BJH
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| little_kenyan wrote: |
| How far into the race is the Hoggs Hollow hill? I'm running the half--hopefully the hill comes early and I dont have to worry about it in the latter part of the course. |
It's at about 4k.
University Ave at the end is a slight uphill. Not super hurting hard, but noticeable.
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jonovision_man
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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Kinda hard to see... but:
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nicruns
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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talk about GORGEOUS weather for the run today!
made me sorry i missed out on it this year...
(that darned zoo run is too tempting!)
but ONE of these years....
maybe next?
(we'll see...) |
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lim314159
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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Throughout today (and it started Friday morning), 680 news has been playing over and over why are there 2 marathons only 3 weeks apart in Toronto. Alan Brookes, race director of Waterfront Marathon is open to the idea of the 2 races becoming one, but the Toronto Marathon race director, Jay Glassman, is not. Glassman said he made the argument not to have the 2 races so close together but City Hall said they could not agree to 1 but not the other. Glassman would like to see the Waterfront Marathon moved to the spring but Brookes said that is not a possibility. If anyone's interested, I've done a pro and con of both races.
Congrats to all the finishers today. I was on University Ave and then at Queen's Park cheering the late marathoners as they treked their way to the finish line -- there were only a handful left. Can't believe the size and weight of the marathon medal!
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jonovision_man
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| lim314159 wrote: |
| Throughout today (and it started Friday morning), 680 news has been playing over and over why are there 2 marathons only 3 weeks apart in Toronto. Alan Brookes, race director of Waterfront Marathon is open to the idea of the 2 races becoming one, but the Toronto Marathon race director, Jay Glassman, is not. Glassman said he made the argument not to have the 2 races so close together but City Hall said they could not agree to 1 but not the other. Glassman would like to see the Waterfront Marathon moved to the spring but Brookes said that is not a possibility. If anyone's interested, I've done a pro and con of both races. |
Thanks for the summary, interesting. Moving one to the spring would be brilliant! I think Waterfront would be the one to move, since I'd hate to miss the fall colours in the Rosedale valley. 
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lim314159
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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Although I haven't done the full at Toronto Marathon (plan for next year), its route is superior. The first half of the Waterfront Marathon is great (same/almost same as 2nd half of Toronto Marathon). Going south on Yonge Street is great and the Rosedale Valley part is, I agree, a highlight. A bit hilly (both up and down). Also, the weather is nicer with the colder weather for running. No wonder the Waterfront marathon race director wouldn't mind combining them and the Toronto Marathon said absolutely not. I do like the separate start times for the Toronto Marathon full and half. I am worried that Waterfront wants to continue upping their caps -- it was quite tight for the first 10 K this fall as is.
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anchan1
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:07 am Post subject: |
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The Toronto Half Marathon route is far better than the Waterfront.
And I always make good time on the downhills course 
The cooler weather helps too.
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BorisTerzic
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:23 am Post subject: |
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I personally find the Toronto Marathon to be far superior. The only thing that the Waterfront has going for it is better organizational structure and higher profile Athletes. Otherwise it loses in almost all categories.
If I had to chose to do only one I'd to the Toronto every time.
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jeff77
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Im with you lim. The course is way better! I give the points to toronto marathon in every area except organization. Next year I switch it up with scotia half and Toronto Full. My only hope is that they fix some start line issues I want to see corals and updated km markers.
My pro/con list
SWTM
Less weather risk.
more festive
better start line
horrible 24-30k section (commisionaire road/cherry street)
GLTM
Weather might be perfection
Downhill and fast
Free masage
Bad start line set-up
The worst section, is Scotias best section (to high park and back) |
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dgrant
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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Moving the Waterfront race to spring would just switch the "conflict" to being with the ever-growing Mississauga Marathon rather then the Toronto Marathon.
Both of the fall Toronto races attract over 7000 runners apiece, so clearly there's a market for things just the way they are.
Here's my full take on things: http://www.irun.ca/blog/index.php/a-tale-of-two-ci... |
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jonovision_man
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| dgrant wrote: |
Moving the Waterfront race to spring would just switch the "conflict" to being with the ever-growing Mississauga Marathon rather then the Toronto Marathon.
Both of the fall Toronto races attract over 7000 runners apiece, so clearly there's a market for things just the way they are.
Here's my full take on things: http://www.irun.ca/blog/index.php/a-tale-of-two-ci... |
Nice post.
The one thing I'd argue: The general public can understand closing roads for a marathon, but it's much harder for them to appreciate the need to do it twice in 3 weeks. Read the Star comments and you get a taste for the anger (and some fierce irrationality too). There is a growing backlash here, and if we want to continue to use public roads and facilities it's going to have to be addressed.
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BorisTerzic
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| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:35 am Post subject: |
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| jonovision_man wrote: |
| The one thing I'd argue: The general public can understand closing roads for a marathon, but it's much harder for them to appreciate the need to do it twice in 3 weeks. Read the Star comments and you get a taste for the anger (and some fierce irrationality too). There is a growing backlash here, and if we want to continue to use public roads and facilities it's going to have to be addressed. |
True the general public does not have an understanding and resents these events. Toronto people are not quick to embrace anything that is not considered "world class" and hate to be inconvenienced from their busy lives. If you want instant support just brand the two marathons as Boston and NYC marathons come to Toronto and they will have that "world class" appeal that the Toronto inferiority complex loves.
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lim314159
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| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Just heard on 680 News right now that City Hall wants the 2 races to be 6 months apart or combined together. It'll be interesting how it plays out. But considering City Council couldn't even take a group picture a while back, I'm not betting on this. Logical sense is to move the Scotiabank Waterfront to the spring since the Toronto Marathon has been in existance longer. Just goes to show what the media can do...
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